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Mike Alexander's avatar

Fatima is one of the many apparitions of Mary. They serve to reinforce the faith of Catholics. They do not serve to create faith in others because they operate at the edge of detection. The big issue with such events is lack of corroborating evidence.

We have such events in 1830, 1846, 1858, 1879 and 1917... and then nothing. A simple explanation can be that the earlier events were too early for their to be any chance of photographic documentation. Fatima was the first where this could have been done, but it was not. Should something miraculous happed today it would be immediately documented by numerous real-time videos taken with phones and immediately put on the web.

A similar thing has occurred with UFO reports. When I was young, we had many detailed eyewitness reports of encounters of the sort that would be documented today by phones. I am talking about aliens landing and talking to people and close up views of alien spaceships. Such events could easily be captured on a phone video, but they don't happen today. These things, like miracles, remain just as the edge of perception despite advances in detection and recording methods.

The question raised by Issac Asimov about UFOs applies: if alien encounters (or miracles) are real, why are the authors of these things playing cat and mouse with us and not more plainly revealing themselves?

This provides the strongest evidence that they are not what they seem.

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There are a lot of specific quibbles I have with some of the way you've presented the details of the situation, but my more immediate question upon reading all this is pretty simple: If you do think the evidence for the miracle is rationally compelling in this way, then what explains why God would not simply reveal his existence (or Mary's heavenly existence, or whatever) more generally? The traditional defense for divine hiddenness is that some particular good is secured by God's existence remaining obscure. But if this post is right, his existence *isn't* obscure at all, and is in fact rationally undeniable. And if that's the case, then it's hard for me to understand what other defense is left for why it is that God doesn't intervene consistently in all other equally obvious ways that would clearly secure essential goods. And why, when making his existence rationally undeniable, did God decide to do so through one particular indistinct atmospheric appearance and not by simply declaring it to all persons in a way that would be immediately obvious? It seems to me that there's necessarily a cap on how rationally compelling a miracle claim like this can be without making God's decision to perform it totally incomprehensible.

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